Interview With Dakota Sullivan of LookSmart

Vice President of LookSmart, Dakota Sullivan, issearch engine partner for the major portals is a
apparently a very busy man. Nevertheless, hecompany that delivers best of breed search
finally took time out to be interviewed by Webrelevancy, yet does not compete with their brand
Rank CEO Kalena Jordan. In the interview, Mrfor ownership of the search user. With our
Sullivan reveals how the Yahoo/Inktomi deal willpurchase last year of WiseNut, a world class, next
affect LookSmart, the new features LookSmartgeneration search engine, we're focused on
will be introducing for Small Business Listingsmeeting this need.
customers shortly and why he thinks WiseNut is a>> Question 5 (WR) - There have been some
better search engine partner for the majorcomplaints in the various search engine forums
portals than Google:about the inability to clearly track traffic from
(WR) = Web Rank, (DS) = Dakota SullivanLookSmart pay per click campaigns or even
Question 1 (WR) - With Yahoo purchasing Inktomi,clearly track keywords which will trigger an
how will this affect LookSmart's search results?appearance of their listing. Given click-tracking is
(DS) LookSmart, Inktomi and Yahoo arevital to ROI measurement and standard with PPC
discussing our relationship going forward. For now,models like Overture and Google AdWords, do
it's business as usual, with LookSmart listings beingyou plan to introduce a more transparent click
distributed throughout the Inktomi network, andtracking and reporting system in the future?
Inktomi providing fall through results on and on(DS) Today, LookSmart enables and encourages
LookSmart's hosted properties.our larger advertising customers, who work
Question 2 (WR) - A recent email fromdirectly with dedicated account managers, to add
LookSmart Public Relations staff mentions "TheURL tracking to their LookSmart listings. This
Yahoo! deal makes LookSmart prime forspring, LookSmart will be expanding this
partnership (or the picking!)". Are LookSmartfunctionality to Small Business Listing customers
currently looking for new business partners? Havewho use our web-based platform. At that time,
LookSmart received any take over offers?both large and small advertisers will be actively
(DS) LookSmart already partners with more thanencouraged to include their own tracking on
100 major portals, search engines and ISPssubmitted URLs, whether the site is submitted
including MSN, About.com, AltaVista, Netscape,using our on-line forms or via our account
Inktomi, InfoSpace, Cox Communications andmanagement staff.
Road Runner in the US, MSN in Japan, AustraliaQuestion 6 (WR) - According to this Ezula press
and the UK, Lycos in Japan and Yahoo in Australia.release from 2001, LookSmart have partnered
We are continually in discussion with other portalswith Ezula. According to Scumware.com, there
and search engines in the US and around thehave been suggestions that LookSmart's
world, as we expand our distribution network.partnership with the Ezula/TopText plugin
Question 3 (WR) - Following the industry backlashproduces false PPC clicks due to the way
last year when LookSmart moved from aTopText siphons off traffic from other sites. With
directory to a pay per click model, there seemsno way to track clicks and no accountability
to have been a large loss of search market sharemeasures in place, people are understandably
and customer loyalty. Does LookSmart nowsuspicious that their clicks are not "genuine" and
regret their change of business model and areinstead come from TopText and affiliate links.
there any plans to counter the market shareCan you comment on this?
loss?(DS) LookSmart no longer has a relationship with
(DS) The truth is, our customer base has growneZula.
significantly since last April. At that time, a numberQuestion 7 (WR) - Given LookSmart results now
of businesses had paid a one-time fee to berely largely on Inktomi and MSN, what does a
reviewed for our search directory,yet we had nolisting in LookSmart offer customers these days?
customers paying an ongoing fee. Today, weWhy should people advertise on LookSmart when
have more than 30,000 businesses renewing theirthey can get high rankings in MSN using Overture
accounts with us each month, and activelyPPC?
participating in their relationship with us. This spring,(DS) Actually, LookSmart serves >45 million
we'll be introducing the first update to our Smallsearch results per day on MSN, About.com,
Business Listings product. The update will giveAltaVista, Netscape, Inktomi, InfoSpace (Excite,
customers more control over their accountWebCrawler, MetaCrawler), Mamma.com, Cox
management and performance tracking, newCommunications and Road Runner. According to
tools to optimize their campaigns, and reduceMedia Metrix Digital Media Audience Ratings,
costs for adding listings and making changes toLookSmart search listings reach more than 77%
their listings. Here are some of the new featuresor 4 out of 5 U.S. Internet users each month
you can expect:through this network.
Simpler submission of new listings - automatedSpecific to MSN, LookSmart's paid inclusion listings
checks that look for incomplete submissions orare an important complement to Overture's
potential violations of editorial guidelines, ability topay-for-placement listings for a number of
automatically upload a large number of listings forreasons:
our customers who have applicable contracts (ourAppear in core search results: LookSmart listings
larger clients), and greater detail around guidelinesprovide the main body of search results on MSN.
and submission requirements.According to an extensive network traffic study
Flexible options for grouping listings together -completed in 2002,
Multiple listing campaigns can be grouped together74% of search users click in this section of the
within a single billing account or each listingpage, while ~25% click in the Sponsored Listings
campaign could be set up in its own account, eachsection. Therefore, without LookSmart,
with its own billing. (Note that monthly budgetsadvertisers are missing a large percentage of
can already be set up for each campaign)possible lead volume.
Different levels of on-line account access -Improved ROI: By using Overture's
Several people can be given access to the samepay-for-placement for product introductions,
account, but each person would have their ownseasonal and featured products and high margin
log in and password. Additionally, each user couldproducts, and using lower cost paid inclusion for
be given a different level of access to theeverything else, advertisers can get more total
account; for example, one user would just be ableleads while lowering their costs, thus improving the
to see campaign information, but not change it,return on their search investment. LookSmart's
while a second user had permission to view andpaid inclusion listings, at a flat $0.15 CPC, are an
edit campaign information. This will be highlyideal way to get into categories on MSN that are
beneficial to SEOs, agencies or other people whohotly contested on Overture and have high bid
manage listings on behalf of clients.prices.
Ability to set flight dates - Ability to set a specificAccess the full range of searches: 40% of all
start date and end date for a particular listingsearches are for terms with 3 or more words.
campaign. This is especially relevant to advertisersUnless an advertiser is willing to manage
with seasonal products or promotions. (Note thatthousands of keywords, it's tough to capture all
monthly budgets are already available tothe 3,4,5 and more word searches that happen
advertisers to help manage spending levels)every day on MSN using pay-for-placement alone.
Question 4 (WR) - That same email fromHowever LookSmart's paid inclusion listings deliver
LookSmart Public Relations staff talks about howthis granular search traffic to advertisers
"LookSmart is plotting against Google". Can youautomatically.
explain this?Show up for more searches: On MSN, Overture
(DS) Google provides an excellent searchlistings only appear for the most popular searches.
experience, and has helped raise the bar in termsFor example, do a search for "French cooking" or
of search relevancy for the entire industry."men's jeans." You'll see that all the results
However, Google's rapid growth has come at thedisplayed come from LookSmart or LookSmart
expense of its partners' search franchises. Mostand MSN. Using LookSmart paid inclusion listings
new Google users are former Yahoo or AOLalongside Overture pay-for-placement listings gives
search loyalists. Our position is that the optimalyou access to a much higher volume of searches.